Tuesday, September 8, 2015

Week #3 (9/7-9/11)- Migrants Keep Entering Hungary As Work On Fence Speeds Up (Associated Press)


Migrants keep entering Hungary as work on fence speeds up





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ROSZKE, Hungary (AP) — People anxious to pass through Hungary pushed and police shoved back as tensions mounted at Hungary's southern border with Serbia Tuesday.
Occasional scuffles broke out and one man was slightly hurt in a stampede. Some disheartened migrants, weary of waiting for transport to a registration center, tried to go back to Serbia but police blocked their way.
"We've been here for two days and the Hungarian government only brings one bus?" said a Syrian man, who gave only his first name, Ali.
"We're asking to go back to Serbia and they are not giving us this right. We're asking to go to Budapest and they are not giving us this right. Why? Why?"
Hungary has made frantic and confused efforts to control the huge tide of migrants transiting the country as they try to reach Germany, leaving many trapped for days outside the border village of Roszke and furious at their treatment by Hungarian authorities. On Tuesday, Prime Minister Viktor Orban announced fresh efforts to complete a wall to keep the refugees out.
Despite the efforts of volunteers offering water and some clothes, there were few amenities at the border. The area was strewn with garbage and more people could be seen walking along railroad tracks in Serbia on their way to Hungary. Many of the travelers had slept outdoors in a field during a cold night. They had hoped to be bused to a registration center, but very few buses appeared.
As they grew more frustrated, some of the migrants tried twice to break free from a police line at a collection point near Roszke but were pushed back.
At Budapest's Keleti train station, migrants were being allowed to board trains bound for Austria and Germany. In many cases, they were segregated from other passengers and told they could only enter certain carriages.
The queue of people waiting to board a train to the West was backing up, with about 300 people waiting for the next train Tuesday afternoon.
Almost all of those passing through Hungary are hoping to reach Germany or other Western European countries with generous welfare benefits and open asylum regulations. Almost none wish to remain in Hungary, which is seen as unwelcoming to asylum-seekers and which does not have the same economic opportunities as much richer Germany.
Around the EU, debate continued over what each country should do. Hungary and other former east bloc countries have resisted accepting refugees, but Germany has thrown its weight behind a scheme to set a quota for each of the 28 EU nations.
Austrian Chancellor Werner Faymann said countries opposed to taking in refugees under an EU-wide quota system should suffer financial penalties.
In Geneva, U.N. official Peter Sutherland said it's "not enough" for countries like the United States and wealthy Persian Gulf states to give money to help Syrian refugees — they must take them in, too.
"Buying your way out of this is not satisfactory," Sutherland said, adding that U.N. agencies are well short of their funding needs for meeting the crisis.
Some 7,000 migrants arrived in Vienna between early Monday and early Tuesday and "almost all of them continued on to Germany," an Austrian police spokesman, Patrick Maierhofer said.
After a stand-off with Hungarian authorities last week that saw thousands of migrants trapped at Keleti and elsewhere, the travelers were greatly relieved when Germany opened its doors to them over the weekend.
Nada Mahmod, a 30-year-old from Syria, delayed her departure from Hungary because she became separated from her 14-year-old son, Mohammad Diar. Her agony ended happily with a reunion, and they boarded a train to the West.
"We lost him in the forest. He went with another group," she told The Associated Press in desperation before the boy was located. "Police in Hungary don't help. Everybody else helps. Not the police."
Poland, the largest of the eastern members, has so far agreed to accept 2,000 refugees and has been widely criticized for lacking solidarity with Germany, which has said it expects to take in 800,000 asylum-seekers this year and is able to absorb half a million per year for a few years.
Poland's defense minister and deputy prime minister, Tomasz Siemoniak, on Tuesday faulted other European nations for lacking a thought-out strategy to handle the crisis and for pushing for EU states to accept quotas of refugees.
He called that a "road to nowhere" which would only encourage more people to come. He also said that Germany should not feel it has the right to teach Poland about solidarity, given that Poland was the birthplace of the Solidarity movement, a mass movement that helped bring down communism in the former Soviet bloc a quarter century ago.
"I think that our position is filled with solidarity and with the vision that we will not solve the problem with such summary, hasty decisions," Siemoniak said.
In Hungary, Orban was quoted in Tuesday's edition of the pro-government Magyar Idok (Hungarian Times) daily newspaper as saying that he was persuaded to deploy more workers to finish the fence along the border after an unannounced inspection of the barrier on Monday.
The 4-meter (13-feet) high fence along the 174-kilometer (109-mile) border with Serbia was supposed to be completed by Aug. 31, but is facing delays. Defense Minister Csaba Hende, who was overseeing the construction being done mostly by soldiers, resigned Monday after Orban's visit because of the slow progress.
Several coils of razor-wire are stretched out along the whole border but it has been regularly breached by migrants, who usually crawl under it. The higher barrier is up only on some sections.
Hungarian police said Tuesday that they have detained more than 169,000 migrants this year, including 2,706 on Monday.
In that same period, the Migration Office has received nearly 158,000 asylum requests.
In Greece, the coast guard said Tuesday its patrol vessels picked up nearly 500 migrants in 11 search and rescue missions over the previous 24 hours in the eastern Aegean Sea.
The people, whose nationalities were not immediately clear, were found in small boats near the islands of Lesbos — which accounts for nearly one in two migrant arrivals in Greece — Samos, Kos and the islet of Agathonissi.
More than 15,000 refugees and migrants are stranded on Lesbos, awaiting screening before they can board a ferry to the Greek mainland — from where they head north through Macedonia, Serbia and Hungary to seek asylum in more prosperous European countries.
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Gorondi reported from Budapest. Associated Press reporters Alexander Kuli in Budapest, Monika Scislowska in Warsaw, Poland, George Jahn in Vienna and David Rising in Berlin contributed to this report.

46 comments:

  1. Bailey Weztel, 5th period
    The idea of not letting migrants travel where they please is crazy. The plans to make"a 4-meter high fence" and the "169,000 detained migrants" were fruitless. They weren't even allowed to go back to their homeland , like one man said,"We're asking to go back to Serbia and they are not giving us this right." Its not right for the government to keep migrants starving in fields, awaiting buses to a registration center.

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  2. "We're asking to go back to Serbia and they are not giving us this right. We're asking to go to Budapest and they are not giving us this right. Why? Why?" (Ali). This is very concerning because what if his whole family is in there and all of his food is in Serbia. He is just going to starve like the other 169,000 thousand of the migrants if the police won't let them in. That is like the military going up to you and saying you are not allowed back into California if you leave even though your whole family lives there and all your money is at your house. It isn't fair. If there was a legit reason for them not being able to return that would be alright, but there isn't,so it is very cruel.

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    1. I couldn't agree more. It is very concerning that these poor starving people are not allowed back to their homes and families. These people are in a time of need and should be treated appropriately. Denying these people access back to their home is the same as imprisoning them. If there isn't a reason to keep these people staving(which there isn't) then they should be able to leave.

      Matthew Clarke, period 5

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  3. I think it is unfair that the Hungarian government is trapping these citizens in an area. How is it fair to trap your own citizens in an area of the country they belong to. Not giving people the freedom to move in their own country, is just crazy. I think that this is not fair at all, these families are hungry, and nothing is being done about it.

    - Muzamil Ahmad p.6

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    1. I agree. After reading this article, it makes me really sad to think about the way these people are treated. They need to have the freedom they deserve. One man was "asking to go back to Serbia and they are not giving us this right". I don't think it is fair to keep anyone in a place they don't want to be. The world should be a place of freedom, I wish these countries would take on the freedom that we, the US have. What I took away from this, is that I am very appreciative and lucky that I get to live in a place of such freedom! I hope these families will find a break they deserve and get to enjoy the life they have on earth.

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  4. Cameron Stone -- P6

    The Hungarian border police are unjust in their efforts to stop migrants from moving Germany. People are human. Detaining them, splitting up their families, and leaving them waiting hungry is cruel, no matter what country you live in or originate from. It is unrealistic and not cost-beneficial to try and construct a "4-meter high fence" to retain the migrants. Thousands of migrants simply wanted to leave Hungary, and one man stated that "they are not giving us this right". The Hungarian government must work to provide adequate transportation and food and have this border issue put as the top priority.

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  5. Hungarian border police are trying their hardest to stop these migrants from going to German, but they have gone too far. When families are getting separated, and people aren't getting enough food, shouldn't that be the end? Ali, a Serbian citizen, states, "We're asking to go back to Serbia and they are not giving us this right. We're asking to go to Budapest and they are not giving us this right. Why? Why?". Not letting people go back to there homes is the worst possible outcome for a nation. Also, is this "fence" really going to stop 169.000 detained migrants from leaving Hungary. If Hungary is going to separate, starve, and lack transportation for these migrants, then someone should step up and make a change.

    Emily Bobrowsky- Period 1

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  6. Olivia Lasecke Period 2September 8, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    The Hungarian border police are far too extreme with their efforts to prevent migrants from going to Germany. Their plan for "a 4-meter high fence" left "169,000 detained migrants" (Szlanko). Migrants wanted to leave Hungary however "they are not giving [them] this right" (Szlanko). It is cruel an unjust. These migrants could have family in Germany that they are trying to visit, yet instead they are trapped and starved, awaiting for buses. One man stated that they even asked to go back to Siberia and they won't let them. This border conflict needs to be settled soon, before it escalates into something worse.
    Olivia Lasecke period 2

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  7. The fact that the Hungarian government is not allowing migrants travel where they want is ridiculous. It isn't fair to force citizens to stay in an area especially when they are starving and families are being separated. It's impractical to build a 4 meter high fence to keep the citizens in too. One man says that they are "asking to go back to Serbia and they are not giving us this right". The government doesn't have the right to keep the people from going back to their home. The Hungarian government needs to arrange better transportation methods and overall changes need to be made.
    Hannah Miller, period 2

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  8. I believe that the Hungarian government is too strict. Migrants should travel where they want freely, I don't see any harm of letting migrants go where they want. As they grew more frustrated, some of the migrants tried twice to break free from a police line at a collection point near Roszke but were pushed back (Balint Szlanko and Pablo Gorondi). This shows how the Hungarian government is strict. Some people travel so far and then they get stopped at the border line. The Hungarian government needs to fix this issue.
    - Sheila Ordukhani per2

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  9. The Hungarian Police are being far too harsh with the things that they are doing. Migrants should be able to travel without being separated from their family and being left without food. One of the migrants said "Police in Hungary don't help. Everybody else helps. Not the police." (Mahmod). I believe that the Hungarian Government needs to take action and fix this situation before it causes a larger crisis.
    - Nathanial Draper, Period. 5

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  10. Justin Markus, Period 5

    i think it's really stupid how Hungarian government is trapping their own people in on specific area in the country that they own. They aren't giving them the freedom to walk around normally or at all, people are starving and being taken away from their families and i think that's not helping the situation at all.

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  11. Jacob Haines, period 5

    I think it is unfair that the Hungarian government is trapping these citizens in an area. its not fair to trap your own civilians you need to let them explore and venture so that riots don't start. i bet these people feel like there is no freedom I don't know why they are doing this but if i were the civilians then i would start a protest against this action to over rule the government and to set the people of this land free. I also believe that this situation is uncalled for because how are they supposed to live off of the food and clothing they are provided . I state that the Hungarian government is way to strict.

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  12. Hey guys- there are some misconceptions getting posted here- Hungarians are detaining Syrian refugees, not their own citizens. Be sure to closely read the article

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  13. I'm detecting some inconsistencies here. I saw the majority of people agree with Trump's position on immigration (Week #1 article), but have a very pro-immigration stance stance in this case. Are there differences between the scenarios?

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  14. The Hungarian Government is detaining Syrian refugees, I think this is very wrong. These are human beings who should be able to go wherever they please as long as they are following the governments laws including immigration laws. And it's also messed up that they are not allowed to leave when they should be able to. The Hungarian Government should not be able to do this without getting in trouble.
    -Parker Blomquist P.5

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  15. I believe that refugees from war should be able to go somewhere much safer if they choose. My grandma and grandpa were refugees that came from the Middle East ,they chased the opportunity of safety and money from the American Dream and might I say my grandparents did a great job. Anyways it makes no sense for Hungary to keep Serbian citizens from going back to Serbia also it makes no sense for them to hold them from going to the Europe unless Europe doesn't want them just let them go back to Serbia. Hopefully the tensions between Bosnia and Serbia loosen up good luck to them.

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  16. I believe that the police are being way too brutal to these citizens. They cant split up families and not feed their own people. That is the reason why they are trying to leave the country. I feel like building a 4-meter high is unhuman like and they are treating the people like animals stuck in a cage. Migrants should be able to travel where ever they please because they are in harsh conditions. The Hungarian government needs to do something about this quickly or else something worse could happen eventually.

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  17. i believe it is unfair that all the migrants were not helped at all other than some volunteers "Despite the efforts of volunteers offering water and some clothes, there were few amenities at the border. The area was strewn with garbage and more people could be seen walking along railroad tracks in Serbia on their way to Hungary. Many of the travelers had slept outdoors in a field during a cold night. They had hoped to be bused to a registration center, but very few buses appeared". this is very unfair for all these migrant and got little to no help moving to Germany.

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  18. Paragraph 3 states "we've been here for two days and the Hungarian government only brings one bus? said a Syrian man (Ali)." The fact that Hungarians are isolating Syrians is cruel. Families are being seperated and barely getting any food. This is a big issue and this should be set as a top priority before more conflicts arrive.

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  19. I think that it is unfair for the police to hold the migrants. I think that the migrants should be able to travel as they please. It is unfair that they have to wait for so long and the "government only brings one bus" (Ali). The migrants are starving and they are being separated from their families.Many of the migrants wanted to go back home but the police wouldn't let them. They made them wait for a bus to go to the registration center. Also, I think that it is ridiculous for them to build a huge wall.

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  20. I think that this is not right, they need to let people go into the border. These people have traveled so far to get here only to be stopped at the border, and treated like animals. Praise to Germany for their humanitarian treatment of the refugees. They are an example of what other countries should do.

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  21. Michelle Koopman, Period 1
    It is not right to keep them stuck in the middle, without being going back to Siberia. They have the right to be mad, especially because the "Hungarian government only brings one bus" (Balint Szlanko and Pablo Gorondi). The Hungarian government could easily bring more buses to help them but they choose not to. Also, is it right to segregate them from the normal passengers on the train? The only reason I can see that it would be right to do that would be to make sure they get off the train in Germany. But then again, they would be checking tickets anyway so they would make sure they got off the train in Germany. So they really have no reason to separate them on the train by whether they are immigrants or not. They are not being treated very well at all.

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  22. I think that fact that the Hungarian police officers are not letting the migrants through the border is cruel. I think that they should at least let them back in where they came from and not trap them. Also the migrants could have family in Hungary that they are trying to get too. Even if they can't get to Hungary the police officers are forcing the migrants to not even be able to go back into Siberia. They are making the migrants wait for buses which the "government only brings one bus" (Ali). Also, I think the whole concept of making "a 4-meter high fence" is very harsh (Szlanko).

    Courtney Hulsing
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  24. I believe that Syrian refugees being stuck in Hungary without being able to turn back or pass through is a very difficult situation. There needs to be much more global help to solve this problem. When the "government only brings one bus" (Ali), it shows that the EU is not prepared to handle this problem. While I don't think Syrian refugees should be let into the EU, there should be proper escape and protection from the situations they deal with. "Peter Sutherland said it's "not enough" for countries like the United States and wealthy Persian Gulf states to give money to help Syrian refugee" (Ali) is definitely true, but letting Syrian refugees into the European Union causes many more problems than they solve. Overall there should be a better system of handling these refugees, and they should have complete freedom to turn back.

    Lasse Nordahl Period 6

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  25. I believe Hungary has taken an excessively aggressive and inhumane stance on the refugees passing through their country. As I mentioned these refugees are only passing through their country as a means to get to western European countries. I think the fact that Hungary is detaining and blocking them from going back to Serbia or onwards to the west is absolutely ridiculous. However, I think Germany has truly set a global standard and model for how to deal with the situation as supported by this evidence."Germany, which has said it expects to take in 800,000 asylum-seekers this year and is able to absorb half a million per year for a few years" (Szlanko). The ability to deal with a situation of this magnitude in such an orderly way, is truly commendable and I think Germany has done a great job.
    JonPaul Lambert Period 1

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  26. Jacob Walter Per. 2

    I do not agree with the way Hungary is trying to control migrants. Not all people are staying in Hungary, they are trying to pass through Hungary to Serbia. They are retaining people with a "4 meter high fence" and police are patrolling until the fence is complete (Szlanko). Also, with this fence they are retaining citizens within the borders of Hungary. This is going to cause major problems for Hungary. There have been stampedes and riot that have injured people. Hungary needs to think of a better way to control migration/commuters quickly.

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  27. I strongly disagree with the way Hungary is treating the migrants. What really concerns me is that most of these people are trying to get to Hungary, some are just trying to pass through to go to other countries. If the government of Hungary has to build a "4 meter high fence" (Szlanko) in order to keep harmless migrants out, then they are going to be in trouble the next few years. Hungary needs to rethink plans to control migration or it would take a toll on them.

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  28. Hungary is in a difficult position from both a political and humanitarian perspective. Although the migrants are attempting to travel through Hungary to other EU states, this is impacting Hungary. There is no control at the southern border with Serbia, and as a result, there is no control of migrants entering Hungary which, would be a challenge to any nation. However, there is big political pressure for Hungary to provide humanitarian support to the migrants traveling through Hungary. "We're asking to go back to Serbia and they are not giving us this right. We're asking to go to Budapest and they are not giving us this right. Why? Why?" Hungary should allow the migrants to go back to Serbia or wait to be moved to a registration center.

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  29. The idea that Hungarians are putting a fence up as a boundary is a waste of money. People will eventually find ways to get through the wall. It might stop people for a while, but it will never permanently STOP them. Also, in the article it says that the Serbians are trying to get back to Serbia. This wall is preventing them.

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  30. I Support the immigrants cause; because not even able to go back home let alone leave it is just bone chilling . Statements like " Hungarian police said Tuesday that they have detained more than 169,000 migrants this year, including 2,706 on Monday."; show the unethical treatment given to these fasted people who just want to find a new home that's not even in Hungary; there is this statement supporting that saying , "Almost all of those passing through Hungary are hoping to reach Germany or other Western European countries with generous welfare benefits and open asylum regulations. Almost none wish to remain in Hungary, which is seen as unwelcoming to asylum-seekers and which does not have the same economic opportunities as much richer Germany." showing that Hungary should not even have to put up such a wall of pain and barbed wire.

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  31. Cam Allie Period 1
    The fact that Hungary is putting a fence up for the use of a boundary is unnecessary. It is unfair to be restricted to the government standards of not being able to travel as pleased. This article states "More than 15,000 refugees and migrants are stranded on Lesbos," This is only going to make the citizens of Hungary even more frustrated, additional to the fact that there have already been riots and so on. In fact, there are people trying to get back into Serbia, which reveals how this wall isn't doing any good and not worth the money spent towards it.

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  32. John Charles Period 1
    It is a waste of money to put up a wall between countries. It is also unfair to only provide one bus for the thousands of residents trying to get back in. They need to spend their money on more important things. The people are going to find a way to go around, through, or over the wall anyway.

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  34. I completely agree with the immigrants. Its not right to keep these immigrants hostage behind a wall in terrible living conditions. "The area was strewn with garbage and more people could be seen walking along railroad tracks in Serbia on their way to Hungary. Many of the travelers had slept outdoors in a field during a cold night". Making these people suffer with only little transportation to leave is not civil. One Syrian man complained "We've been here for two days and the Hungarian government only brings one bus?". There was also major backup on the trains towards the West. With about 300 people waiting for the next train Tuesday afternoon. Instead of the Hungarian Government making these Innocent people wait for a bus or train that may or may not fit them on it, they should give all transportation needed and have the immigrants leave to Germany or Australia and not bother Hungary.

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  35. "Occasional scuffles broke out and one man was slightly hurt in a stampede. Some disheartened migrants, weary of waiting for transport to a registration center, tried to go back to Serbia but police blocked their way." No one should be blocked by the police or anyone. This is getting rid of their freedom causing only trouble and not helping. It's also hurting their economy building these useless walls.

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  36. "He called that a "road to nowhere" which would only encourage more people to come." , which is a testament to general cluelessness demonstrated by the Hungarian government. While it can be understood that their position can be awknowledged to be a complicated one, it does bring me to question the empathy of the government and their police forces. Unless there is some immediete action and soon, this "road to nowhere" will continue in it's namesake.

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  37. It is understandable why they are putting up a fence and other defenses. However, they should deal with the immigrants they already have wth more respect. I do not see why they would not allow them to leave the country. They already have massive amounts of immigrants getting detained every day.

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  38. I believe that the Hungarian government has the right to put up walls, however the way they treating immigrants is inhumane. Immigrants should be able to leave the country as they please. The government needs to settle the border dispute before the situation gets more out of hand.
    Alexis Miller period 6

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  39. I believe Hungary has taken an excessively aggressive and inhumane stance on the refugees passing through their country. As I mentioned these refugees are only passing through their country as a means to get to western European countries. I think the fact that Hungary is detaining and blocking them from going back to Serbia or onwards to the west is absolutely ridiculous. However, I think Germany has truly set a global standard and model for how to deal with the situation as supported by this evidence."Germany, which has said it expects to take in 800,000 asylum-seekers this year and is able to absorb half a million per year for a few years" (Szlanko). The ability to deal with a situation of this magnitude in such an orderly way, is truly commendable and I think Germany has done a great job.

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  40. I think that Hungary needs to get a handle on immagration before it gets out of control. I think that if they want to build a wall it is up to them and their goverment on weather or not they want to build a wall. However I do think that they have to give immagrsnts time to leave the country before they punish them and also not be so harsh on their punishments.

    Dario Pizzuti6

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  41. If someone comes to your country and you want them to leave, then let them leave. You can't just keep an entire population of Serbian immigrants in your borders she they want to go back to their own. Its inhumane, its insensible, its stupid. No hate to Hungary, but what they are doing is kinda strange

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  42. People shouldn't be forced to stay in a place they don't want too. It is like saying to a land owner that they aren't allowed to go to their house even though their family and all their money is there. They leave the people to be forced into harsher environments and they don't allow them to leave. All people should have their right to chose to leave or stay not be forced into a place they do not wish to be in.

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  43. The fact that Hungary is putting a fence up for the use of a boundary is unnecessary. It is unfair to be restricted to the government standards of not being able to travel as pleased. This article states "More than 15,000 refugees and migrants are stranded on Lesbos," This is only going to make the citizens of Hungary even more frustrated, additional to the fact that there have already been riots and so on. In fact, there are people trying to get back into Serbia, which reveals how this wall isn't doing any good and not worth the money spent towards it.

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