Based on early talks, officials say the Army, Navy and Air Force likely will not seek exceptions that close any jobs to women. Marine Corps leaders, they say, have expressed concerns about allowing women to serve in infantry jobs and yet may seek an exception.
The services are wrapping up reviews and must make their recommendations to Defense Secretary Ash Carter this fall. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the internal debate.
Even if Marine leaders object, they are likely to meet resistance from senior Navy and Defense Department officials who want the military to be united on this issue.
Undercutting the Marines' reservations is that Special Operations Command is likely to allow women to compete for the most demanding military commando jobs - including the Navy SEALs and the Army's Delta Force - though with the knowledge that it may be years before women even try to enter those fields.
Women have been steadily moving into previously all-male jobs across the military, including as members of the Army's 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, best known as the helicopter crews that flew Navy SEALs into Osama bin Laden's compound. Women are also now serving on Navy submarines and in Army artillery units.
Friday will mark another milestone as the two women graduate at Fort Benning, Georgia, from the Ranger school, a physically and mentally demanding two-month combat leadership course. Completing the course lets the two women wear the coveted Ranger black-and-gold tab, but it does not let them become members of the Ranger regiment. Neither woman has been publicly identified by the military.
Longer term, the uncertainty of the Marine decision underscores the wrenching debates going on within the military over the changing role of women, and it reflects the individual identities of the services and how they view their warrior ethos.
Only a handful of jobs in the Navy and Air Force are currently closed to women.
Last year the Navy considered seeking an exception that would have prohibited women from serving on older guided missile frigates, mine-countermeasure ships and patrol coast craft. Some argued that those ships, which are due to be phased out in coming years, would need millions of dollars in construction to add facilities for women and it wasn't worth the expense.
But Navy Secretary Ray Mabus withdrew that plan in a memo late last month that was obtained by the AP. Officials said Navy leaders concluded that since women can serve in all the same jobs on other ships no real exclusion existed.
The Army and Marine Corps, however, have thousands of infantry, artillery and armor jobs that are currently closed to women. There has been a lot of study and debate over whether to open those positions, because they often involve fighting in small units on the front lines, doing physically punishing tasks.
The Marine Corps set up a task force this year to set gender-neutral job standards and determine whether incorporating women into small squads affected unit cohesion or combat readiness. Companies made up of all men and mixes of men and women spent up to three months in California performing a broad range of unit tasks and going through detailed scientific evaluations to see how they did. Senior leaders are reviewing those results.
Army leaders did similar scientific analysis, reviewing all tasks needed to do the combat jobs and have been creating gender-neutral standards that troops will have to meet in order to qualify. Meanwhile, however, the Army began to slowly open some combat positions, including artillery jobs, to women.
In recent days, officials familiar with the discussions said they believe the Army will allow women to seek infantry and armor jobs as well.
Gen. Ray Odierno, who retired last week as Army chief of staff, hinted at that conclusion.
"In order to best manage your talent, you have to pick the best people who can perform to the standards that we have established," Odierno said. "If you can meet the standards that we've established, then you should be able to perform in that (position). And I think that's where we're headed."
In January 2013 then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey signed an order wiping away generations of limits on women fighting for their country, ordering a quarter-million positions open regardless of gender. They called for sweeping reviews of the physical requirements for combat jobs and gave the military services until January 2016 to argue if any positions should remain closed to women.
Throughout the process, all the services have made it clear they will not reduce any standards to allow women to qualify for the most demanding jobs. But they reviewed the requirements for the various combat posts to make sure they were directly related to tasks that had to be done as part of the jobs.
During the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, thousands of women served and fought, and about 160 died.
Dempsey told reporters during that 2013 news conference that he did not rule out women serving as members of special operations forces, although it might be years before they actually qualified.
"I think we all believe that there will be women who can meet those standards," he said.
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ReplyDeleteIn paragraph 5, it states "Completing the course lets the two women wear the coveted Ranger black-and-gold tab, but it does not let them become members of the Ranger regiment." Men who complete the course become members of the Ranger Regiment but not women? Women work equally as hard a men but don't get the same benefits as men? Women get to complete the course, and so do men. But women don't get to become members of the Ranger Regiment? Yes, I do understand it's just 2 women, but what if a lot more women want to do it too. Will those other women not be able to become members of the Ranger Regiment program like men?
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ReplyDeleteIn the closing paragraph of this article, "I think we all believe that there will be women who can meet those standards". I believe accordingly with this statement and think that the military is moving in the right direction to allow women into combat jobs. America was founded upon the principles of equality. What makes a man better than a woman? Our country must work to provide a workplace where both men and women are treated equally. I believe women are just as capable and entitled as men are.
I agree with Cameron. I think that women are no worse or no better than men. I think women would bring in new strengths to the job, along with weaknesses. However, I think the variety of genders would bring strength overall, to the U.S. Military, women may bring new assets to the job that men can't. I think it would be a great idea to let women serve our country. "'I think we all believe that there will be women who can meet those standards,' he said." (BY LOLITA C. BALDOR)
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Stated in paragraph 4, "Special Operations Command is likely to allow women to compete for the most demanding military commando jobs" (Baldor). I strongly agree with the Special Operations Command for carrying out this decision because I believe everyone deserves a chance. I understand that if someone cannot complete the course they cannot join, but if they are able to complete the training they deserve to join, male or female. Men alone will not be able to help our country reach its full potential, but by working as a team with men and women we can.
ReplyDeleteI feel that women should be able to serve in most military jobs as long as they meet the same requirements as men. If a women can do the same thing a man can do she should get the job she see's fit. As stated in the first paragraph, "Marine Corps leaders, they say, have expressed concerns about allowing women to serve in infantry jobs". I do however see how the marine corps does not think women are fit for their branch. Part of being a marine is your warrior spirit. This has been a huge part of the corps since they were founded in 1775 and they still pride themselves on it. men and women are just different in that aspect. Overall though I feel that as long as women can meet the same standards they should be allowed in most military jobs
ReplyDeleteI agree I believe that any person whether it is a man or a woman should be aloud to do anyone job in the military if they are qualified for it. If a woman is not qualified for the job though then they should not be aloud to do the job. I also believe even in the Marine Corps if a woman is qualified for the job then they should get the job. Overall I also feel that if woman are qualified then they should be aloud for most military jobs.
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ReplyDeleteI don't think whether women should be in the military is even questionable. Our country is called the United States of America for a reason we're all united and created equal. A woman has just as much of a right to serve in the military as a man does. Factors like gender should have no part in the requirements to be in the military. Men and women both live here in this country so therefore both men and women should be allowed to defend it.
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I completely agree with your statement. I think it is ridiculous that people even have to consider whether women are as qualified as men for the military. No matter gender, they are fighting for this country, so why does it matter? Women should be offered all the same positions and opportunities as men, as long as they're qualified (and same for men).
DeleteI believe that women should be able to join the military if they are qualified for it. Whether it's a man or a woman, we should all have equal opportunities, including joining the military. Stated in paragraph 3, "Women have been steadily moving into previously all-male jobs across the military". If women are allowed to advance more in the military, then more will join because they have the opportunity to.
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You are absolutely right women should be allowed to join the military. Women are allowed to be doctors, police officers, firefighters and etc. so woman should be allowed to fight with men in combat because the trained for it and passed all the same tests. You are right when you say "we should all have equal opportunities" because we all should have equal rights because that is one of the main things the u.s is about. So nothing should be stopping them especially there gender.
DeleteI believe that if women go through all the training and the whole process of getting into the military, then they should be allowed to. Near the end of the article, Ray Odierno says " If you can meet the standards that we've established, then you should be able to perform in that (position)." This is saying that as long as they can perform the tasks that are given to them, then they should be judged on their work ethic and not their gender. Women should be allowed to help defend this country and fight just like men can.
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ReplyDeleteWhy is this even a problem in the first place? These two women have obviously proved that they're capable of succeeding in what they had been previously doubted. Is there even a sound reason or logic behind not allowing women to enter such elite careers in the military? Why is it that the women of today are still being denied a chance at such opportunities purely because of age-old gender stereotypes?
ReplyDeleteI feel a woman has every right to be in the military just as much as men. They work just as hard as the men do, and if they believe they are able to do it or want to do it let them they have every right to do or join what ever the choose to do. In the last sentence of this article it states "I think we all believe that there will be women who can meet those standards", this is so true and people need to believe that. I think America is making the right decision of letting woman take combat jobs.
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ReplyDeleteI do believe that women should be allowed to become a Army Ranger if they pass the tests and qualify. If someone is willing to risk their life for our country and go through the vigorous training it takes to become a Ranger, let them. I don't know why people are worried about if they are obviously fit for the job. "During the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, thousands of women served and fought, and about 160 died". This proves that women are willing to put their life on the line in the field of combat. I commend anybody that is willing to do this so that I can maintain my freedom and the love of my country.
I think women should be allowed to join the military if they meet the requirements. Everyone deserves equal opportunities. If women can go through the training and succeed, they should be entitled to join; they put in just as much work as men do. Gender should not even be a factor in the matter.
ReplyDeleteI believe women should be able to join the military! They shouldn't treat women differently than they do to the men. If a women wants to join the military let her, it's a free country and women should get to do as much as a man does. If the women can get through the course and meet all the standards they are looking for they should be able to join the military. The 2 women that passed the requirements have showed that a women can do it to, not just a man.
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ReplyDeleteI believe that all women should be given equal opportunity when it comes to joining the military. And these "two women have [that have] now passed the Army's grueling Ranger test," have proven themselves capable of overcoming the obstacles thrown at them, and deserve just as much recognition as any male military graduate. The United States of America is known for it's beliefs in equality, however, we continue question whether a man and woman can be granted the same rights? If a man and a woman are capable of performing at equivalency, they should be granted the same rights. -Sydney Crozier Period 2
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ReplyDeleteAfter reading this article, I believe that all jobs should be given based on ability, not gender. If a woman is physically and mentally able to perform a combat job, then she should get the opportunity to. Men and women should always be treated equally. If someone can meet the standards and get the job done successfully then why does it matter if they are male or female? Gender has nothing to do with ability.
ReplyDeleteI Believe that all women have the right to join the military and especially if they have proven what they are capable of. In the first line it states "Two women have now passed the Army's grueling Ranger test, and even tougher and more dangerous jobs could lie ahead." If these two woman were able to pass the rangers test what makes it not possible to move forward and go farther in there job
ReplyDelete"It may be years before women even try to enter those fields"(p2 last line). I strongly disagree with this statement. There are many women in the world. I doubt there isn't 1 that would want to be in one of these special groups in the military.
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ReplyDeleteAfter reading this article, I think that the military should open up combat jobs to women because women are equal to men. They are strong like men, and they can help the men fight for our country. As quoted in the article, when determining who can do a job, it should be determined on ability and training, not on male or female.
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